Gold vs Bonds: At What Point Should Gold Believers Lose Faith?

May 28, 2012

When it comes to trading macro, you cannot rely solely on fundamentals; you have to be a tape reader, which is something of a lost art form… technical analysis is at the bottom of the study list for many of the younger generation, particularly since the skill often requires them to close their eyes and trust the price action.

– Paul Tudor Jones

There are powerful arguments for why gold should continue to go up. There are also powerful arguments for why bonds (specifically U.S. treasuries) should go down.

These arguments, in fact, are two sides of the same fundamental coin: An expectation of inflationary outbreak via mass money printing and central bank loss of control.

Consider, for example, the various scenarios in which U.S. treasuries could crash (causing interest rates to skyrocket) and gold could go vertical:

1) Stimulus-enhanced recovery unnaturally accelerates, morphing into katastrophenhausse, or “crack-up boom,” as ZIRP-juiced credit activity amplifies leverage and the Federal Reserve refuses to withdraw accomodative monetary policy (for fear of the 1937 experience).

In this scenario, the markets recognize a new dominance of ‘hot money’ and accelerated speculative transactions, the “risk-on” gold rush comes to the fore, and bond prices collapse. Gold simultaneously rises along with food and energy inflation fears.

2) Global slowdown (first Europe, then Brazil, then China, then softening US gives way) leads to deflationary downward spiral — falling oil prices, falling equity markets, rising panic — which in turn leads to “nuclear” stimulus response efforts (QE III, LTRO II, Beijing Stimulus X, etc) that finally triggers a confidence-collapse tipping point in which traditional financial institutions are both symbolically and literally abandoned.

In this scenario gold comes into its own as “the ultimate credit default swap” — rising ever higher as a safe haven and currency debasement refuge — even as low-to-no-yield government securities are dumped as fiscal capital death traps.

Either of the two — red hot recovery or nuclear stimulus response — could fuel a fundamental backdrop in which gold skyrockets higher and bonds collapse.

There’s just one problem: The above is not what’s happening… neither price action nor real-time reaction to current events is confirming one of the two major “gold up, bonds down” scenarios.

If the macro picture were playing out towards the “gold up, bonds down” resolution in the major way so many fundamentally committed market participants are expecting, the charts would be hinting at such, or at least broadcasting a ‘neutral’ message.

Yet they aren’t…

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We opened this piece with some food for thought via macro trading legend Paul Tudor Jones, re, importance of reading the tape, i.e. paying attention to price.

Here’s another PTJ gem, suitable for taping to the side of your monitor:

[No loyalty to positions] is important because it gives you a wide open intellectual horizon to figure out what is really happening. It allows you to come in with a completely clean slate in choosing the correct forecast for that particular market.


When it comes to macro forecasting, price action (charts) are an integral aspect of “choosing wisely” (insert Indiana Jones reference here).

As Mercenaries we have been bearish on gold for some time now.

At one point we were bearish on bonds — even labeling short treasuries a potential “trade of the year” candidate — but stepped away from that view when the price action did not confirm (and when our low risk short bond position, pyramided off an initial profit base, closed out on sufficiently adverse price action to disconfirm the scenario in question).

This is “no loyalty to positions” at work. (Be loyal to your friends, not your trades!) In similar vein, we have no “loyalty” to our bearish gold stance at this juncture.

If gold starts “acting right” once again, we will consider a long side trade… but not before the market tells us to.

Why? Simple:

  • When it comes to macro positioning, there are often multiple branches on the scenario tree (i.e. multiple ways things can play out).
  • Furthermore, it is often the case these multiple branches have a bipolar aspect to them — meaning, scenario “A” is highly bearish for gold, yet scenario “B” is highly bullish and so on… or vice versa for bonds, equities etc… and we don’t yet know which one will crystallize.
  • This is why intellectual flexibility and “tape reading,” i.e. paying attention to the charts, is so important. To trade macro successfully — or, heck, to invest at all successfully these days — you must
    • 1) be intellectually aware of multiple scenarios,
    • 2) be patient enough to wait for scenario confirmation,
    • 3) be nimble enough to profit accordingly (w/ price action as your guide)
    • all the while 4) practicing diligent risk control (fallibility awareness).

That last one, fallibility awareness, is huge. All you investors out there who stick like glue to your views, disregarding fallibility awareness completely…  I gotta say I just don’t get it. You are either way too smart for me, or else my instincts are right and you treat your precious investment capital with the same regard as a parent who lets their kids play on the freeway.

If the flexible / fallible mindset is new to you, by the way, here are some refreshers:

Back to gold versus bonds and the price challenge to gold believers:

It is a tendency of macro-level fundamental players to dismiss near term price action as “noise,” and to rely on longer-term trends as backing for their general views.

So with that in mind, let’s look to the monthly charts for gold and the ten year, via mega-popular ETFs GLD and IEF (click to enlarge).



Ayn Rand once said, “When you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises.” You don’t have to be an Ayn Rand fan to recognize that as smart advice.

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Right now the price action in respect to gold and bonds — on a monthly chart level, which is going to be least affected by short-term speculative activity — is saying in a thick Brooklyn accent, “YO, GOLD BULLS / BOND BEAHS: WE GODDA MAJA CONTRADIKSHUN HEAH.” (Sorry for that awful phonetic rendering.)

Side note: In reference to a “food for thought” tweet that inspired this global macro notes installment, someone on Stocktwits essentially replied to me: “Look at the 100 year chart [for gold].”

My tongue in cheek response: “So if the 100 year chart breaks trend, will gold bulls say switch to the 1,000 year chart?”

Follow us on twitter if you want a daily serving of snarky bon mots such as this (and some thoughtful / useful stuff too).

It is further notable to yours truly that gold is acting so weak against a backdrop of renewed European turmoil.

Some Larry King style musings (though hopefully of more substance):

  • As FT Alphaville has noted, capital is leaving Europe. So why isn’t it flowing into gold?
  • Gold saw acceleration and potential blowoff into mid-2011. What if that move represented the anticipation and pricing in of all that is happening now?
  • GDX bulls are pounding the table on how out-of-whack gold stock valuations have become, relative to the price of gold. But what if that valuation discrepancy corrects with a crash in the gold price, rather than a true GDX rebound?
  • Deflationary bond bull Hugh Hendry has observed that bull markets tend to end with a bang, not a whimper. What if the spectacular bull market in US Treasury bonds — arguably two decades running now — still has an incredible “bang” left (driving yields down to Japan-like levels)?

Another extended Hendry / Shilling “what if deflation wins” riff:

  • Is it possible, just possible, given the compiled evidence above, that the unprecedented tsunami of stimulus thrown at the slowdown problem was actually far too little to forestall the market’s post-supercycle deflationary fate? Could it yet be that the global central banks’ “massive” stimulus efforts of the past three years, in comparison to the scope of the deflationary wealth destruction at hand, pending a collapse in multiple DECADES of leverage and structured credit drivers, are the metaphorical equivalent of tossing a mattress into a volcano?

If the above is true — that the deep undercurrents, the post-supercycle wealth destruction and economic contraction trends after 25 years of binge (1982 on), are to heroic central stimulus efforts as godzilla is to an oversized iguana… if “throwing a mattress into a volcano” is a CREDIBLE view of what is happening now, vis a vis stimulus versus deflationary impact… then a scenario in which bonds yet advance to incredible, bull market supernova levels, with correspondingly jaw-dropping low yields, actually makes sense as stimulus efforts slow-motion fail… with further stimulus thwarted by austerians on both sides of the Atlantic… and in such a scenario the gold price could yet drop like a hot rock (or even crash).

As a bonus reason for gold bugs to be nervous, John “Riverboat Gambler” Paulson, aka “Sino-Forest for the Trees” Paulson, is up to his eyeballs in underwater gold positions — and clients are none too happy about it:

Investors with legendary hedge-fund manager John Paulson aren’t taking a shine to his gold metal performance — in fact, some are heading for the exits.

Investors are upset over Paulson’s huge gold positions — specifically, his outsize holding of AngloGold Ashanti, down 20 percent this year, The Post has learned.

That has dragged down two of Paulson’s funds.

“I would be happier if he cut the gold position in half,” says one investor who put in a notice to take his money out of the fund in June. “He would have been up 4 percent in the first quarter if it weren’t for the goddamned gold.”

~ Laying a Golden Egg, New York Post

You wanna hang around and wait for this guy to blow out the last chunk of his client base that hasn’t yet capitulated (but which is getting more fed up by the day)?

Me neither… even if one is truly agnostic on gold, and merely value based, the threat of the Paulson overhang has to be at LEAST as big a counter-concern as bullish gold stock fundamentals are a positive driver…

So let’s recap:

  • To trade macro successfully, you have to pay attention to price. If you don’t, you will eventually get your head handed to you (ahem, Paulson cough cough)… there are too many bipolar branches on the scenario development tree for such to be otherwise.
  • Whether they claim to be macro or not, bets on gold stocks and / or the gold price are distinctly macro in nature.
  • There are credible scenarios for the “gold up, bonds down” outcome — red hot recovery or nuclear deflationary response, respectively — but there is also a credible scenario for the reverse: Gold price crash, bonds massively further up, as “mattress in a volcano” stimulus efforts fail to dent the true level of global credit / wealth contraction, even as austerian political impulses in Western economies (Bundesbank, Tea Party et al) hold central bankers in relative check.
  • Right now, price action is NOT favoring the “gold up, bonds down” scenarios that so many fundamental gold bugs favor… and as we have said, ignore price long enough in the macro game and you will eventually get carried out.

Final note, which, based on the nature of comment replies, needs to be added: We are NOT perma-bears on gold, and would be happy to switch our orientation back to “gold up, bonds down” if price action started once again CONFIRMING, rather than disconfirming, that particular branch of the scenario tree…

But right now that ain’t happening. (And by the way, if you want to know what we’re doing on a play-by-play basis, trade with us!)

Funny Old World Innit,

JS (

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14 Responses to Gold vs Bonds: At What Point Should Gold Believers Lose Faith?

  1. SilentKz on May 28, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Appreciate the post but I don’t understand why you keep hammering gold up bonds down scenarios. Its been gold up bonds up since 2008 just from looking at your charts.

    • Jack Sparrow on May 28, 2012 at 11:29 pm

      I'm not hammering it, a large portion of the financial community is hammering it… were one to draw a venn diagram of investors who believe "gold will skyrocket" and investors who believe "bonds will collapse," there would be a very meaningful overlap of the two.

    • Meache on January 22, 2014 at 9:21 am

      I mostly agree with the first post. Interest rates ualsuly start to rise when the economy is doing better. When the economy is doing better then the companies that sold the junk bonds generally are more secure so the interest rates for junk falls or stays the same. And the higher yield becomes more attractive. But that only works for a while. When Fed starts raising rates high enough to slow the economy then junk gets hurt more because they more risky and generally more in debt. To simplify they perform better at first and worse later because you are weighing two factors, interest rates against default risk.

  2. bevok on May 28, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Yes these 'obvious' outcomes like a Bond collapse are very hard to time. Its easier to take part in a reasonable stable bubble and stick with it rather than try and anticipate what will probably be a jagged and unstable collapse which will probably occur at the least expected time. We haven't seen a blowoff yet.
    Its a bit like the Yen collapse, I thought it might have started earlier this year but now its looking doubtful. It will happen at some point, but could be years away!

    • Jack Sparrow on May 28, 2012 at 11:32 pm

      Indeed, the irony of “obvious” and much discussed outcomes is that, the greater the degree of discussion, anticipation, positioning etcetera, the greater the odds that adjustment is already “priced in.” Barring that, widely accepted crisis forecasts can have an inverted self-fulfilling prophecy effect, where the observed seriousness of the situation leads to human action preventing it (Y2K doomsday scenarios the prime example). And then too, with bonds in particular, it is more likely that the $USD would “crash” than bonds (as the Federal Reserve can infinitely support the bond market, assuming their willingness to print an infinite amount of dollars).

  3. ClaudiusLSE on May 28, 2012 at 7:43 pm


    This is one of your best posts yet. Keep up the excellent work.

    • Jack Sparrow on May 28, 2012 at 11:33 pm

      Thanks! We intend to keep raising our game…

  4. mikec74 on May 29, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Excellent post….the issue of price action versus my fundamental beliefs is something I wrestle with although more and more I find myself gravitating towards really deferring to the price action over all other considerations.

    I exited ALL of my remainining long-term gold investment positions at 1550 based on the combination of the break of 1600, the break of the 2008 uptrend line, 2-3 months below the 10 month moving average, and the failure of the inverse head and shoulders pattern. On a short-term trading basis, I actually shorted the break of 1600, covered at 1535, and reshorted the bounce at 1595, and am currently short 1 mini-contract.

  5. mikec74 on May 29, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    All that said, I wonder if it is premature to get long-term bearish UNTIL we see a decisive break of that 1525-1535 level which could be a potential triple bottom, ESPECIALLY when compared to the way the 30-year UST has traded the last 12 months. After the big upleg in 2011, the UST has actually corrected down to the 135 level on 3 occasions, August 2011, October 2011, and March 2011. The March 2011 drop to 135 occurred after what looked like a giant top had formed and support at 140 was broken. I shorted the break of 140 at 138, did NOT take any profits at 135, and then exited for a loss at 141. Now, just recently the UST hit a new high at 148.

    I'm just wondering if gold is setting up a similar price trajectory where the parallels are 135=1525-1535, and 140=1600. The break of 1600 turns out to be a massive bear trap, 1525-1535 holds, and the bullish trend reasserts itself?

    • Jack Sparrow on May 31, 2012 at 8:07 am

      Possible… though if such a scenario develops, our methodology is inherently flexible enough that we don't have to over anticipate it. If things play out that way we will simply just go with it.

  6. mikec74 on May 29, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Anyways, I am trying to heed your point about being open to all scenarios, and let the price action dictate actions. I suspect the key is in what central bank monetary and government fiscal policy ultimately materializes. Will the powers that be allow deflationary forces to run roughshod, or will the Fed and ECB finally cave and print trillions in dollars and euros. Time will tell.

  7. mikec74 on June 1, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    I know one day is just one day, and certainly doesn't constitute a trend reversal but any thoughts and interpretations on today's gold price action. Anticipation of some type of reflationary policies coming?

    • Jack Sparrow on June 5, 2012 at 9:53 am

      I'm guessing you saw the game changer piece…

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