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How to Deal With Maniacs
It was a four-handed cash game, $3-$5 No Limit hold ‘em. The big stack had at least $3,000 behind — the others (including me) around $1,000. The game had previously been seven-handed, but I came in late as others were leaving. The remaining players were happy to see me, as the game might have broken up otherwise. Within minutes of sitting down, I realized something was different — and possibly very wrong. All three of these guys were Maniacs, with a capital “M.” One of them, a very friendly local I knew, was a California dentist who threw c-notes around like confetti. (He was the one with $3,000, most of it in a fat sheath of hundred dollar bills.) Another was a young drunk, ordering a Guinness every ten minutes. And the third was a super-aggressive tourist, who apparently learned the game by watching the “big moves” on TV and wanted to prove his manhood to us all.
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But the best setup is when the maniacs are dispersed among calmer targets, with other, less wild participants around to create a sense of balance. In this instance, it was me and the three crazies. Big bets started flying around immediately, green bills topping off outsized pots. Raise and reraise became standard, even with garbage like Queen-Deuce. I realized fairly quickly that calm, cool methods of strategy assessment were nullified in this environment. The game was like a machine gun firefight — chips spraying everywhere, with no obstacles to hide behind. I stuck around out of curiosity at first, having never experienced such pure unadulterated mayhem in a cash game. The action was even sped up, like a record played at 78 RPM, because it was only four-handed and the button moved rapidly. It quickly became clear I suffered a disadvantage though: I was the only one who cared about my chips!
By “cared about my chips,” I don’t mean I was attached to the money. Rather, I was attached to the notion of making intelligent, positive-expectation moves, rather than juggling hand grenades for a thrill. In poker, volatility is a weapon. It can be an especially powerful weapon in the hands of the deranged. The ones who wield it most effectively either 1) have a very large stack relative to yours, or 2) have minimal personal regard for their own financial well being. To wit, if your opponent doesn’t care about fragging his own chip stack in pursuit of yours, he can use that as an advantage. Even insanity can be an edge — temporarily at least. Having identified the situation, I should have smiled and walked away. Instead I focused on the possibility that the right string of hands could build my stack very quickly. After all, these guys were spewing chips like fire hydrants — taking big chunks from each other and giving it right back. Alas, the stack-building was not to be. I didn’t get the right opportunities, and the volatility was just too extreme. My controlled risk forays were rebuffed by the poker gods; I walked away a few hundred bucks lighter and a lot wiser. When guys are happy to raise half their stack on a pair of deuces, you wait for the crystal clear opportunity to snap them off with a monster holding. Other than that, you show patience and stand aside — or you get the fever yourself and lose any semblance of intelligent play. Recent market action brings forth memories of that old maniac session. Consider this from Bespoke:
The Fall of 2008 was great — for those who knew how to sell short, and caught the cascade early, in the waterfall decline portion of the move. After the freefall — during the time of the TARP vote for example — it turned into maniac city. There was time for action and time for stepping back. Wild play can be good. As a general rule you want “action players,” or maniacs, at your table. But sometimes wild can be TOO wild. If the ‘natural order of things’ has bled so far into chaos that it’s hard to keep a bead on what’s happening, watch out. The short-hand rules for dealing with maniacs are these:
Some poker players feel it is their duty to mix it up with maniacs — just as some traders feel it is their duty to make hay from extremely volatile market conditions. But this blanket assumption — “if the action is hot, I’ve got to be in” — is not smart. It’s a case by case thing, depending on the situation and your particular context within it. For example: A cold maniac can be a beautiful thing, donating rack after rack of chips to your cause, then digging in his pocket to donate more. But a hot maniac, or worse yet a gang of them, can steamroll you flatter than a pancake. Similarly in trading, there are good high volatility environments and bad high volatility environments, depending on factors like how in synch you are with events and whether conditions favor the way you trade. JS ![]() p.p.s. If you haven't already, check out the Mercenary Live Feed! Similar articles you might like:
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nice analogy , thanks
Playing deep stacked at an aggressive table can be tricky. Buying in for 100bb would make decisions much easier and almost certainly make that game super profitable. You can play a basic strategy of stacking off with 1010+, AK preflop and stacking off with any top pair on the flop (assuming no connected straight and flush draws that have decent prob. of hitting them) and print money.
There is no fool proof way to make a session super profitable — any basic strategy accessible to one player is also theoretically available to the other players. A deep stack and a big skill advantage are always two desirable elements, but even then they only put odds in your favor (rather than guarantee anything). What’s more, one of the players (the dentist) was a local known for endlessly deep pockets (and endless bad play). The “strength” of these particular opponents was a willingness to lose money with abandon — they were essentially flipping coins with each other to the benefit of the house (collector of rake and tokes).
It’s certainly possible to make a killing off maniacs, and I’ve had my share of the spoils. You need the right conditions though — the session has to be right and the plays have to click. This observation was less focused on how to beat wild players and more on the value of game selection and sidestepping poor conditions.
I thought it was a great article as usual. Absolutely love learning from the site. Game selection is hands down the most skill in poker, and I would guess the most important thing in trading.. I just felt the uncontrollable need to chime in that having a guy who gets half his stack in with 22 deep stacked is a pretty good game that could be exploited with a very basic strategy. Its obviously going to be high variance and not a guaranteed win for the session but will be very profitable over the long run.
Yep, fair enough — under the right circumstances there can certainly be opportunity there.